Gibbs: Obama "absolutely" agrees with DoJ "states secrets" filing

According to White House Press Secretary Gibbs, who spoke yesterday to reporters, President Obama agrees with the position taken by his DoJ.

Responding late Friday afternoon to a suit filed by the EFF against the NSA, the Justice Department

argued that the case should be dismissed because information surrounding the program was a “state secret” and therefore couldn’t be litigated or discussed. It also proposed that the government was protected by “sovereign immunity” under federal wiretapping statutes and the Patriot Act, arguing that the United States could only face lawsuits if they willfully elected to disclose intelligence obtained by wiretapping.

In response to a question at Thursday’s press briefing, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said that President Obama stands firmly behind a Justice Department brief filed last week which aims to have a civil liberties group’s lawsuit dismissed.

He “absolutely does,” Gibbs said. “Obviously, these are programs that have been debated and discussed, but the President does support that viewpoint.”

Pretty tough to take this in any way except that which is stated. President Obama agrees with the Bush administrations claims for immunity and "states secrets" in the case of clear FISA violations and illegal wiretapping.

From Electronic Frontier Foundation's website, reaction to Friday's filing reflected disappointment at the Obama administration's stance:

It's an especially disappointing argument to hear from the Obama Administration. As a candidate, Senator Obama lamented that the Bush Administration "invoked a legal tool known as the 'state secrets' privilege more than any other previous administration to get cases thrown out of civil court." He was right then, and we're dismayed that he and his team seem to have forgotten.

Sad as that is, it's the Department Of Justice's second argument that is the most pernicious. The DOJ claims that the U.S. Government is completely immune from litigation for illegal spying — that the Government can never be sued for surveillance that violates federal privacy statutes.

This is a radical assertion that is utterly unprecedented. No one — not the White House, not the Justice Department, not any member of Congress, and not the Bush Administration — has ever interpreted the law this way.

And yes, I AM a f#$@ing Democrat DFH. A very disappointed one. One who is a plaintiff in this case, and who will continue to support transparency and the rule of law with my last breath. Cuz that's what I was told a good citizen should demand.
So sue me.

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And Glenn Greenwald as well yesterday

points out that...

This controversy is clearly growing, as well it should.  These radical theories were not ancillary to the liberal critique of Bush/Cheney lawlessness but central to it.  Last night on CBS News, Katie Couric repeatedly asked Eric Holder about this issue, and -- as The Washington Independent's Daphne Evitar noted -- Holder was forced to say that he has reviewed the cases where the Obama administration invoked "state secrets" and agreed with virtually everything the Bush administration did in those cases with regard to that doctrine, making clear (as Evitar put it) "that the Obama administration [with the possible exception of one unnamed case] is unlikely to depart dramatically from the Bush administration's position on the use of the state secrets privilege." 

The Bush administration's use of the "state secrets" privilege was the linchpin of its efforts to shield its criminality from judicial review and -- as Democrats, progressives and other Bush critics repeatedly argued -- was one of the principal prongs of its lawlessness and radicalism.  Yet here is the Obama administration doing exactly the same thing and now admitting that they intend to continue to do so.  Relatedly, Jim White digs up some election year Obama quotes to underscore what a betrayal of Obama's constant commitments these actions are.  

Considering the high approval ratings he is enjoying and the fact that he is a politician, does he really have any reason or motivation to do things any differently unless we can educate and inform enough people to pressure him to live up to his campaign rhetoric?

[p.s. - I'll see what I can do today about the <strike> tags, Lisa. An oversight. ;) ]

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That's still

a great Greenwald quote ;-)

Ya, I don't use it often, but when ya need a strike out, dammit...ya need a strikeout! Just ask Nolan Ryan ;-P

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Ok - I've added <strike></strike> tags to the list

of enabled tags in the filters now.

Also added a picture to your post - hope you don't mind? ;-)

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Oh, good picture! n/t

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I'm absolutely disgusted.

This is betrayal, there's no other word for it.

Thanks, Lisa, great essay!

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"When I am president..."

"...America will once again be the country that stands up to these deplorable tactics. When I am president we won't work in secret to avoid honoring our laws and Constitution, we will be straight with the American people and true to our values"

-- Barack Obama, 2007

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Ya, well

My PARENTS told me there was a Santa Claus....

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It amazes me that his approval rating

stays as high as it does.

Considering that high approval and the fact that he is a politician, does he really have any reason or motivation to do things any differently?

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To see Obama supporters...

run so fast from principle just because of the man helps show just how broken the political game has become. No different than the dittoheads lining behind Rush in the crusade for Bush!

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I think that there is one difference in that

the people who suspend critical judgment and unquestioningly support Obama no matter his policy implementations all watched and fought hard against the people who suspended critical judgment and unquestioningly supported Bush no matter what he did, and especially in the drum beating over the Iraq invasion, but seem unable to reflect on how they react to Obama and see the similarity.

There was a very very critical article written by Christopher King in England at Redress Information & Analysis in January 2007 that describes the phenomenon very unpleasantly...

I am interested in the major segment of quiet peasants who believed uncritically what they were told and supported the war by their compliance. I am speaking of a peasant state of mind. We cannot blame our historical peasant for poor judgement or lack of knowledge. He cannot help his position. The American peasant has no such excuse.

But why would anyone accept it? Only by suspension of all critical faculties, curiosity about American society, the wider world and indeed, one's information provider. I would also add indifference to the truth, which is crucial in matters of warfare and the lives of men. The American peasant cannot protect his country as he believes he is doing because by his indifference, ignorance and credulity he cannot differentiate truth from falsehood. He is as indistinguishable from our traditional peasant as if we were to take that worthy individual, dress him in a suit, sit him for the day before a television screen showing Fox News in a suburban house with new car in the garage then in the evening, ask his opinion on world events.

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